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Sept 8, 2017 10:12:15 GMT -6
Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 8, 2017 10:12:15 GMT -6
Dude, just buy some Apogee Element88's to go with your Symphony MK2.
edit: Nevermind, apogee said you can't do that yet.
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Sept 8, 2017 11:05:40 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 8, 2017 11:05:40 GMT -6
Great minds think a like I don't need the pres either. ideally I need a used symphony mki 16x16 module, but they are no longer made:lots of them out there though Going 24 channels Issues: alesis hd24xr, need a good one roughly $900 usd no mods, need 3 adat ins on an interface to pass 24 channels to comp/daw, I have 2 adat ins radar, basically cost, great stand alone system Apogee, mki 16x16 finding one should be around $2500 usd mkii 16x16 available, expensive motu 8a, 16a, 24, prices range from about $800 up, could have issues with different conversion latency times , if hung off the symphony It is fun to explore and to get more knowledgeable about this though
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Sept 8, 2017 13:44:20 GMT -6
Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 8, 2017 13:44:20 GMT -6
do you need 24 In AND 24 out? because that's 48 channels, not 24. I've seen people build out their symphony MK1s with 24 ins, 8 outs via an 8x8 module + a 16 Analog In + 16 Digital Out module. Or they get a pair of MK1 chassis, and build one with a pair of those 16 Analog In 16 Dig out cards, and build the other with a pair of 16 Digital In, 16 Analog Out to get 32 in/out analog for "cheap".
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Sept 8, 2017 14:21:58 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 8, 2017 14:21:58 GMT -6
Well the standard 16x16 module is referred to as a 16x16 analog, if I add that to an 8x8 analog ( which I already have) isn't that 24 in and out ?
I normally record 1-8 channels max, but can have 20-24 channels in my daw and I use 8 stereo sub groups.
Initially I just wanted the delta for the eq and I was planning on using utility i/o plug in to send individual channels from my daw to individual channel strips in the delta and back to logic.
as the delta is analog, adat outs don't do me much good: thought I need analog outs ?
This is an attraction of the alesis hd24xr as the trs i/o is built in as are the 3 adat outs, but my symph mkii has just 2 adats in so only 16 channels passing ?
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Sept 8, 2017 15:42:41 GMT -6
Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 8, 2017 15:42:41 GMT -6
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Sept 8, 2017 16:15:28 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 8, 2017 16:15:28 GMT -6
true and all good info:thx
but remember a new 16x16 mkii is $3100 list and I could just drop that in my mkii chassis ?
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Sept 8, 2017 21:40:09 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 8, 2017 21:40:09 GMT -6
What's wrong sonically with your current setup that radar and a console will improve?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2017 1:42:59 GMT -6
Nothing: this is not about sound quality: it's about cost to increase numbers of converters due to my getting a soundcraft delta 16/4/2.
I wanted the delta for the real 4 band eqs.
I am exploring options (types/cost) and of possibly going to 24 converters a/d analog to be able to patch/insert between interface/converters and delta.
The starting point would be a new apogee symphony mkii 16/16 A/D analogue which is roughly $3,200 usd list.
I am looking at used mki's and competing systems right now to gain information and knowledge.
Plan a is to start using the 8x8 analog symphony mkii module I have and gain experience then decide. Wiz suggested getting an inexpensive additional 8x8 analog interface to test having 16 channels of a/d , so I got a new behringer 8200 for that purpose and will test this all out.
Later, if I want to go big (24), I will better understand options/costs and be better informed and sell the behringer to a buddy at work who is just getting started and wants an inexpensive interface.
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Sept 9, 2017 4:17:39 GMT -6
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Post by keymod on Sept 9, 2017 4:17:39 GMT -6
Nothing: this is not about sound quality: it's about cost to increase numbers of converters due to my getting a soundcraft delta 16/4/2. I am exploring options (types/cost) and of possibly going to 24 converters a/d analog to be able to patch/insert between interface/converters and delta. The starting point would be a new apogee symphony mkii 16/16 A/D analogue which is roughly $3,200 usd list. I am looking at used mki's and competing systems right now to gain information and knowledge. Plan a is to start using the 8x8 analog symphony mkii module I have and gain experience then decide. Wiz suggested getting an inexpensive additional 8x8 analog interface to test have 16 channels of a/d so I got a new behringer 8200 for that purpose and will test this all out. Later, If I want to go big (24), I will better understand options/costs and be better informed, sell the behringer to a buddy at work who is just getting started and wants an inexpensive interface. I bought a Behringer 8200 and had Black Lion do their complete mod list on it so I could add 8 channels to my RADAR's 24 for use with my 32 channel desk.
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Sept 9, 2017 5:16:29 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2017 5:16:29 GMT -6
Interesting, which cards do you have in your radar and are you using it with protools ?
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Post by keymod on Sept 9, 2017 5:45:51 GMT -6
Interesting, which cards do you have in your radar and are you using it with protools ? I have 24 analog , 24 AES/EBU & 24 ADAT in my RADAR24. I do not have Pro Tools ( yet ). Have Cubase, Samplitude and Harrison Mixbuss installed in my ADK computer. I have never recorded to the DAW, always using RADAR as a tape machine with basic editing. The DAWs are only for more sophisticated editing and use of plugins. If IZ Corp figured out a way to make RADAR software talk to UAD cards directly, I would probably ditch the computer completely.
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Sept 9, 2017 5:54:49 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2017 5:54:49 GMT -6
Thx: still getting my head around the using the radar idea. I understand you can record directly to it.
The new studio version seems to make it even more all in one but you can use a daw and your plugs directly.
how do you mix now ?
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Post by keymod on Sept 9, 2017 6:04:52 GMT -6
I have the choice of mixing directly from the RADAR through the board, using outboard, or transferring everything into the DAW and mixing from there, using a combination of plugins and outboard and the IZ converters. Lot's of options.
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Sept 9, 2017 7:04:56 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2017 7:04:56 GMT -6
Sounds great and very versatile, any reservations about radar or you are all in
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Post by keymod on Sept 9, 2017 7:25:31 GMT -6
I am all In, a total fanboy. But then I am an old guy that looks at the radar as a multi-track tape machine. The workflow is wonderful for doing music with live musicians especially more than one at a time.
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Sept 9, 2017 8:27:16 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2017 8:27:16 GMT -6
It feels intuitively right
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Post by spock on Sept 9, 2017 9:10:43 GMT -6
It feels intuitively right Upon hearing the RADAR for the first time, it's an "ah ha" moment.
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Post by sozocaps on Sept 9, 2017 9:13:30 GMT -6
I have Radar here in Florida... says a damn big bitotch called Irma is headed this way...
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Sept 9, 2017 9:15:39 GMT -6
Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 9, 2017 9:15:39 GMT -6
If IZ Corp figured out a way to make RADAR software talk to UAD cards directly, I would probably ditch the computer completely. Someone said earlier in the thread that RADAR boxes are just Windows 8.1 Workstations....
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Sept 9, 2017 9:22:37 GMT -6
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Post by keymod on Sept 9, 2017 9:22:37 GMT -6
Someone said earlier in the thread that RADAR boxes are just Windows 8.1 Workstations.... Earlier versions of radar used a Beos operating system. The current radar Studio is like two machines in one with the radar software running traditionally on one side and the Daw side can be run just like a workstation with your choice of Daw. First versions were running Windows 8 but Windows 10 is now available for the Daw side. I don't know what software is currently running on the radar side.
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Sept 9, 2017 13:55:02 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2017 13:55:02 GMT -6
The new Studio does run ua cards in the daw but I believe you still need a uad card in the radar or in external chassis.
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Post by spock on Sept 9, 2017 15:11:36 GMT -6
@katthedog - some records on RADAR
Sarah McLaclan - Surfacing and On land and on sea Lucinda Williams - world without tears Daniel Lanois - Shine, Black Dub AC/DC - Live at Donnington
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Sept 9, 2017 15:19:51 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Sept 9, 2017 15:19:51 GMT -6
I have Radar here in Florida... says a damn big bitotch called Irma is headed this way... Good luck!
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Sept 9, 2017 15:32:22 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2017 15:32:22 GMT -6
@katthedog - some records on RADAR Sarah McLaclan - Surfacing and On land and on sea Lucinda Williams - world without tears Daniel Lanois - Shine, Black Dub AC/DC - Live at Donnington ah,,, why are you so obtuse: what is your friggin point: go sonically forth and prosper ?
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Post by rowmat on Sept 9, 2017 15:43:01 GMT -6
The big deal with RADAR when it first appeared was that it managed to convert many hard core analog tape guys to digital who had been resistant to DAW based recording because of...
1. The sound... 2. The non intuitive appearance of computer based recording... 3. The workflow.
Although RADAR used mostly the same converter chips as other manufacturers they took more care in the surrounding analog circuitry.
Also RADAR was designed to operate more like a multitrack tape recorder with the traditional physical controls that used buttons. ie. "PLAY", "RECORD", "FAST FORWARD", "REWIND", etc. So it provided a more familiar tactile style of recording than a computer based DAW.
Recording without staring at a computer screen can also help some focus more on the actual performance during tracking as the visual complexity of processing information on a screen can be quite distracting at times for many.
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