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Post by b0b0 on Nov 26, 2017 19:52:00 GMT -6
Hello friends,
Seeking some help in how best to setup my current converters, as well as how to possible introduce some Burl into the mix.
I have Lynx Aurora 16 with a FW card that I use as my main interface.
I have a Dangerous D-Box that I use for summing and as a monitor control. Note; I am NOT yet using the D-Box DA in monitoring; it’s taking analog ins from the Aurora.
I am using all of this with Pro Tools 11 (NOT HD).
I have a few objectives:
1. Immediately hook up the D-Box to use the DA for monitoring. I understand that it’s generally considered to be a better converter than the Aurora. Question: What’s the best way to do this?
2. Buy and introduce a Burl AD (Bomber B2 likely) and use it for the vast majority of tracking, with the ability to use the Aurora analog ins at the same time when tracking things like drums. Question: what’s the best way to do this? Also; is there a way to use my existing FW card and get all this working, in a stable way, to enjoy 18 ins, and 16 outs.
I am completely open to buying new cards for my Mac Pro to make this work well. Likewise, I’m open to going the Burl Mothership route if that’s required, but I’d like to make use of the sunk costs in the Aurora.
Thanks for your time and thoughts!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2017 20:31:54 GMT -6
The D-Box only accepts 8 in so why or what are you doing with the Aurora 16?
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Post by b0b0 on Nov 26, 2017 20:34:31 GMT -6
The D-Box only accepts 8 in so why or what are you doing with the Aurora 16? I have analog 1 and 2 out from the Aurora going in the D-Box analog in, and have Pro Tools routes that Main L/R goes out that analog 1 and 2. The sum ins and rest of the Aurora outs are on the patch bay, so I can sum as desired that way. |
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Post by popmann on Nov 26, 2017 20:58:20 GMT -6
So the use for the Burl will be to recapture the analog sum, IMO....and obviously overdub tracking. If you use it with the A16 for "18 inputs" you have to be aware there will likely be phase considerations--so, use it for the bass amp and guitar amp--and the other 16 for the drums, kind of thing.
You would need to use the A16 in advanced mode where you get another 16x16 AES.....hook the Burl up to the AES IN....custom cable probably. hook the DA of the DBox to the AES out. Effectively should show 18x18 in ProTools.
Just talking about tech....no idea what's better than what, as the B2 is the only one of those I've used. And actually, now that I think about it more--I think the A16 can emulate a HD192, which SHOULD have the same ADC latency as the Burl--since they're using the same chips as the old Blue192s. I don't know if that's a "setting" on the A16--but, if it's working at Avid's latency numbers, it should match the Burl--if so you can disregard the phasing part above....
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2017 21:07:53 GMT -6
So you are ganging your outputs as to get the benefit of the D-Box summing you need to use all its analog ins simultaneously?
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Post by adamjbrass on Nov 27, 2017 5:56:34 GMT -6
sum 8 channels of aurora 16 to Dbox
pass the other 8 DA into the musician headphone feeds, use Aux aends to create their mixes,
connect the AES/EBU output port of the Aurora to the Dbox AES IN, for confidence monitor
patch the Burl AD into the Aurora 16 AES/EBU port, patch the Burl analog input from the Dbox Sum out,
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Post by adamjbrass on Nov 27, 2017 7:35:44 GMT -6
also, a cool trick with the DBOX, if you turn down the headphone amp all the way, it still outputs the full output of the Talkback function,
so along with your "more-me" 8 DA lynx outs, you can use that too.
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Post by b0b0 on Nov 27, 2017 20:36:59 GMT -6
So you are ganging your outputs as to get the benefit of the D-Box summing you need to use all its analog ins simultaneously? No; the analog ins I’m using are for the monitoring section. The 8 summing in get reduced to 2 analog outs for summing. Separate from the monitor control. But the way I’m using it for monitoring, I’m doing my conversion on the Lynx first. If I can get digital out from the Lynx, then I can do my monitoring conversion with the D-Box. |
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Post by b0b0 on Nov 27, 2017 20:39:01 GMT -6
sum 8 channels of aurora 16 to Dbox pass the other 8 DA into the musician headphone feeds, use Aux aends to create their mixes, connect the AES/EBU output port of the Aurora to the Dbox AES IN, for confidence monitor patch the Burl AD into the Aurora 16 AES/EBU port, patch the Burl analog input from the Dbox Sum out, Thanks for this. I’d rather not tie up that many “outs” for head phone mixes. I do have a separate head phone send using 2 outs, and am using the talk back trick you described. Very helpful. |
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Post by b0b0 on Nov 27, 2017 20:43:41 GMT -6
So the use for the Burl will be to recapture the analog sum, IMO....and obviously overdub tracking. If you use it with the A16 for "18 inputs" you have to be aware there will likely be phase considerations--so, use it for the bass amp and guitar amp--and the other 16 for the drums, kind of thing. You would need to use the A16 in advanced mode where you get another 16x16 AES.....hook the Burl up to the AES IN....custom cable probably. hook the DA of the DBox to the AES out. Effectively should show 18x18 in ProTools. Just talking about tech....no idea what's better than what, as the B2 is the only one of those I've used. And actually, now that I think about it more--I think the A16 can emulate a HD192, which SHOULD have the same ADC latency as the Burl--since they're using the same chips as the old Blue192s. I don't know if that's a "setting" on the A16--but, if it's working at Avid's latency numbers, it should match the Burl--if so you can disregard the phasing part above.... Thanks for this! Not sure what advanced mode on the Lynx means; I assume that’s somewhere in the Aurora config program! At 16 analog and 16 digital; I gotta wonder if my FireWire card would keep up? Is there a better, wider band width way to connect all this stuff to the computer? |
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Post by popmann on Nov 27, 2017 22:20:59 GMT -6
if you see 16 digital, it's in advanced mode already. Used as an actual converter, not interface to a computer, the 16 digital ins get turned into the 16 analog outs and visa versa--that's a 16x16 ADA unit. The advanced routing mode or whatever they call it is allowing you to use the Firewire for the digital side of the IO, leaving the AES free to act as additional inputs and outputs.
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Post by adamjbrass on Nov 28, 2017 4:39:27 GMT -6
sum 8 channels of aurora 16 to Dbox pass the other 8 DA into the musician headphone feeds, use Aux aends to create their mixes, connect the AES/EBU output port of the Aurora to the Dbox AES IN, for confidence monitor patch the Burl AD into the Aurora 16 AES/EBU port, patch the Burl analog input from the Dbox Sum out, Thanks for this. I’d rather not tie up that many “outs” for head phone mixes. I do have a separate head phone send using 2 outs, and am using the talk back trick you described. Very helpful. you could use 9-16 i/o for Hardware inserts with the DAW |
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