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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 4:51:44 GMT -6
Tubey mojo thing aside, is there any way to create the kind of fancy curve that a Pultec can create in the lower frequencies using a couple of standard parametric eq's in series? For instance, using a two shelving HP filters set to the same frequency but with different bandwidths, one with gain and one attenuated? Throw in a bell curve or two if you need to.. Doesn't need to be perfect, but can you get close? Any chance someone can point me to a site that has a pic of what the famous Pultec trick curve looks like? Or perhaps someone can sketch it? I wasn't able to find it on the net.
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 5:12:38 GMT -6
Just found this, though it looks like it's at 1kHz, not 100Hz.  |
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 14, 2017 5:16:49 GMT -6
Tubey mojo thing aside, is there any way to create the kind of fancy curve that a Pultec can create in the lower frequencies using a couple of standard parametric eq's in series? For instance, using a two shelving HP filters set to the same frequency but with different bandwidths and going in different directions? Throw in a bell curve or two if you need to.. Doesn't need to be perfect, but can you get close? Any chance someone can point me to a site that has a pic of what the famous Pultec trick curve looks like? Or perhaps someone can sketch it? I wasn't able to find it on the net. Why doing this, you would have to many variabels..... use a graphical parametric EQ and tune as long as it sounds good to you. Use some tube harmonics mixed in paralell behind it, voilla. To get an impression what work you would have to do..... maybe better to buy one of the plug ins? www.gearslutz.com/board/9168529-post24.htmlThe more I work hybrid, the more I get the impression HW does things much more subtle. Plug-In developpers developp for non pros, its easy to overdo it with plug ins. Using the Slate tube thing in parallel just 10-20% mixed under the reverb return, make things opener, wider. |
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 5:38:33 GMT -6
Why doing this, you would have to many variabels..... use a graphical parametric EQ and tune as long as it sounds good to you. Use some tube harmonics mixed in paralell behind it, voilla. .... Using the Slate tube thing in parallel just 10-20% mixed under the reverb return, make things opener, wider. I'm more curious than anything else. I had an engineer over to my studio the other day helping me out with mixing and at one point he asked me where my pultec plug was.. I'm pretty sure Logic doesn't have one. I have the bundle; which Slate Tube thing? ..Earth? Like I said, it's not the tubey mojo I'm after anyway, just the eq curve. It may be more of a thought experiment than anything else, but just having the picture of the curve in my mind can give me ideas when I'm playing around with an eq. Of course I could go out and buy another plug, but I'm starting to learn from experience that unless the lack of a feature exposes a gaping hole in my arsenal of tools, I should be able work around it. In the under $100 category, the Waves pultec seems to get good reviews, but $50 is a lot of money for something I might not even need. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 14, 2017 6:13:45 GMT -6
there's links to all my captured curves in the K-T thread. You can definitely get close with other EQ's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 6:39:55 GMT -6
Isn't this what all of us have tried to do? Use a screwdriver as a chisel? I've got the WA's and love em, but for 300 bucks The KT is a no brainier surely (Unless you hate the ethics of them like I do)?
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 6:40:19 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Aug 14, 2017 6:41:37 GMT -6
A couple of points, friends.
1. Every EQ does this. When you boost one area, another invariably gets cut. They just work kind of differently doing it. But there's always a trade-off.It's just physics.
2. There is more to an EQ than just the frequency response on a graph! The effect of the 'weight' of the transformer(s), the smearing of transients by the caps, The rounding to the body by tubes and/or transistors - as amplifiers. Not all the things we hear can be seen. Maybe an awful lot, but not all.
JMHO. You're also entitled to be wrong.
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 6:44:34 GMT -6
Isn't this what all of us have tried to do? Use a screwdriver as a chisel? I've got the WA's and love em, but for 300 bucks The KT is a no brainier surely (Unless you hate the ethics of them like I do)? Yeah prices are getting stupid amazing, but unless I'm going to track with it, I don't really have a use for hardware because once ITB, I stay there. Please don't judge me too harshly. |
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 6:48:21 GMT -6
A couple of points, friends. 1. Every EQ does this. When you boost one area, another invariably gets cut. It may be semantics, but his doesn't seem true to me. When you boost one area, it certainly gets louder than the areas not boosted, but those non-boosted areas are not "cut" |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 14, 2017 6:48:55 GMT -6
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 6:52:48 GMT -6
2. There is more to an EQ than just the frequency response on a graph! The effect of the 'weight' of the transformer(s), the smearing of transients by the caps, The rounding to the body by tubes and/or transistors - as amplifiers. Not all the things we hear can be seen. Maybe an awful lot, but not all. In my initial post I made it clear that I don't care about mojo - e.g. smearing, etc. Just the curves. If anything, I'd be looking to emulate these curves with as transparent an EQ as possible. |
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 6:59:14 GMT -6
thanks - don't know how I missed that. Checked your link as well. Cool curve options. Could be worth getting a plugin. By any chance, do any of the high-end EQ plugs like FabFilter include Pultec style curves? I always close my eyes and use my ears when I'm using an EQ, but I also like to then look at the curves I've created to "see" what I'm hearing. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 14, 2017 7:04:13 GMT -6
2. There is more to an EQ than just the frequency response on a graph! The effect of the 'weight' of the transformer(s), the smearing of transients by the caps, The rounding to the body by tubes and/or transistors - as amplifiers. Not all the things we hear can be seen. Maybe an awful lot, but not all. In my initial post I made it clear that I don't care about mojo - e.g. smearing, etc. Just the curves. If anything, I'd be looking to emulate these curves with as transparent an EQ as possible. I'm sorry, I can't help you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 7:17:29 GMT -6
Isn't this what all of us have tried to do? Use a screwdriver as a chisel? I've got the WA's and love em, but for 300 bucks The KT is a no brainier surely (Unless you hate the ethics of them like I do)? Yeah prices are getting stupid amazing, but unless I'm going to track with it, I don't really have a use for hardware because once ITB, I stay there. Please don't judge me too harshly. Lol as if I'm in a position to judge people. Just being pragmatic - if there was an easy shortcut wouldn't your engineer buddy have just suggested a workaround with normal eq's? |
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Post by jakeharris on Aug 14, 2017 7:17:35 GMT -6
The KT is a no brainier surely (Unless you hate the ethics of them like I do)? My copy good. Your copy bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 7:20:31 GMT -6
The KT is a no brainier surely (Unless you hate the ethics of them like I do)? My copy good. Your copy bad. bully for you ....  |
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Post by M57 on Aug 14, 2017 7:30:11 GMT -6
Yeah prices are getting stupid amazing, but unless I'm going to track with it, I don't really have a use for hardware because once ITB, I stay there. Please don't judge me too harshly. Lol as if I'm in a position to judge people. Just being pragmatic - if there was an easy shortcut wouldn't your engineer buddy have just suggested a workaround with normal eq's? Yeah, Actually he did work around it. He just said it would be easier and better with a pultec (obviously he uses them and likes them) and we were working fast and covering a LOT of territory - re-carving out a basic mix from a 40+ track mess that I had created. I don't think he was particularly pleased with his workaround, but it sounded good to me and it didn't seem like a good use of time figuring out how to emulate a pultec without a pultec in the middle of the session - we moved on. I'm just trying to process all the things I learned and had a couple of questions, that's all. |
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Post by explorer on Aug 14, 2017 9:39:06 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 14, 2017 10:01:04 GMT -6
Isn't this what all of us have tried to do? Use a screwdriver as a chisel? I've got the WA's and love em, but for 300 bucks The KT is a no brainier surely (Unless you hate the ethics of them like I do)? WTF 300 bucks where? |
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Post by drbill on Aug 14, 2017 10:46:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 11:03:58 GMT -6
Isn't this what all of us have tried to do? Use a screwdriver as a chisel? I've got the WA's and love em, but for 300 bucks The KT is a no brainier surely (Unless you hate the ethics of them like I do)? WTF 300 bucks where? USA only I think ..... |
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 14, 2017 17:26:33 GMT -6
Yupp 555 in EU in Euro that is much more than 300 $.... For 300$ I would not even think about the plug in, not a single second....holy moley..... |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 14, 2017 17:37:46 GMT -6
note the narrower than standard high boosts in the plots in the other thread.....same with the Warm....
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 14, 2017 17:46:36 GMT -6
Lol as if I'm in a position to judge people. Just being pragmatic - if there was an easy shortcut wouldn't your engineer buddy have just suggested a workaround with normal eq's? Yeah, Actually he did work around it. He just said it would be easier and better with a pultec (obviously he uses them and likes them) and we were working fast and covering a LOT of territory - re-carving out a basic mix from a 40+ track mess that I had created. I don't think he was particularly pleased with his workaround, but it sounded good to me and it didn't seem like a good use of time figuring out how to emulate a pultec without a pultec in the middle of the session - we moved on. I'm just trying to process all the things I learned and had a couple of questions, that's all. If I could get one of the KT for 299$ I would not make my head around plug ins. I jsut would press order www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EQPKT |
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