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Post by FM77 on Mar 14, 2024 11:12:41 GMT -6
First post!
Nice to meet you. I am a musician with a home studio, looking to add Trinnov.
As much as I love new tech, I am not sure I could not get away with the ST2 Pro.
For those who use Trinnov NOVA with a separate monitor controller, where is it in your setup? And are you happy with how this has been working?
Do you feel the extra features of the NOVA are redundant or possibly good for the future for you (interface, monitor controller etc)?
EDIT: I have a GRACE M905 Analog -> LYNX HILO -> RME -> DAW
I would like to keeping using the HILO for the master clock.
I have my opinions here, but I am looking for some other perspectives perhaps and maybe something I had not thought of?
Thanks!
FM
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Post by ericn on Mar 14, 2024 11:54:27 GMT -6
First post! Nice to meet you. I am a musician with a home studio, looking to add Trinnov. As much as I love new tech, I am not sure I could not get away with the ST2 Pro. For those who use Trinnov NOVA with a separate monitor controller, where is it in your setup? And are you happy with how this has been working? Do you feel the extra features of the NOVA are redundant or possibly good for the future for you (interface, monitor controller etc)? EDIT: I have a GRACE M905 Analog -> LYNX HILO -> RME -> DAWI would like to keeping using the HILO for the master clock. I have my opinions here, but I am looking for some other perspectives perhaps and maybe something I had not thought of? Thanks! FM Welcome to RGO, with any DSP speaker/ room processor you are going to want to put it in front of your main monitoring DA and monitor controller. If you are running multiple monitors you’re going to have to remember to switch profiles when you change speakers. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2024 12:32:27 GMT -6
I have and ST2 with the Hilo, actually...but I haven't been able to make a profile with the Hilo because we're suspecting either my mic or cable is damaged...but I've been using the last profile I made...Obviously not perfect, but works for the time being.
I go Apollo > Trinnov > Hilo...but since the Hilo only has one WC out, I'm connecting Hilo wc out to trinnov wc in then trinnov wc out to Apollo and terminating at the apollo. I've heard you're not supposed to do it that way, but someone I trust claims it's the best way...so YMMV.
And as far as I know, the Nova actually has LESS capabilities to the ST2. They just scaled it down to lower the price and add some more modern IO. They've said they're going to support the ST2 until 2030...so, I figure 6 more years is good enough. I bet you could get one with a mic for $3k.
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Post by kristoferharris on Mar 14, 2024 13:59:05 GMT -6
ST2 Pro here also. I'm using a Mytek Brooklyn DAC+, bypassing Trinnov conversion. Controlling level with 2400 Imperium. I love this setup, it's served me well.
In your position I'd nab a used ST2 Pro and make use of the Grace with Hilo as your DA if possible. That's a more high spec setup than Nova would give you.
I would only change my situation if I moved to speakers with digital inputs, such as Kii or Dutch And Dutch. Then I'd probably get the Trinnov remote and keep the entire monitoring chain digital.
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Post by christophert on Mar 14, 2024 16:46:08 GMT -6
First post! Nice to meet you. I am a musician with a home studio, looking to add Trinnov. As much as I love new tech, I am not sure I could not get away with the ST2 Pro. For those who use Trinnov NOVA with a separate monitor controller, where is it in your setup? And are you happy with how this has been working? Do you feel the extra features of the NOVA are redundant or possibly good for the future for you (interface, monitor controller etc)? EDIT: I have a GRACE M905 Analog -> LYNX HILO -> RME -> DAWI would like to keeping using the HILO for the master clock. I have my opinions here, but I am looking for some other perspectives perhaps and maybe something I had not thought of? Thanks! FM I have the Grace M905 Analog and the Nova. My chain is Dangerous > Grace > Nova > Dutch&Dutch 8c. (all analog path) My second set of monitors are PSI A17m, that don't go through the Nova, so when I want zero latency, I switch my Grace controller to the PSI's, and my 3rd set of iLoud Micro's are patched into Grace no3 outputs.
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Post by tripalot on Mar 14, 2024 17:13:53 GMT -6
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Post by FM77 on Mar 14, 2024 17:29:00 GMT -6
I have and ST2 with the Hilo, actually...but I haven't been able to make a profile with the Hilo because we're suspecting either my mic or cable is damaged...but I've been using the last profile I made...Obviously not perfect, but works for the time being. I go Apollo > Trinnov > Hilo...but since the Hilo only has one WC out, I'm connecting Hilo wc out to trinnov wc in then trinnov wc out to Apollo and terminating at the apollo. I've heard you're not supposed to do it that way, but someone I trust claims it's the best way...so YMMV. And as far as I know, the Nova actually has LESS capabilities to the ST2. They just scaled it down to lower the price and add some more modern IO. They've said they're going to support the ST2 until 2030...so, I figure 6 more years is good enough. I bet you could get one with a mic for $3k. Thank you for the info John, Sorry to hear that! I hope y'all get it sorted soon! Yep, understood about the HILO. - I use it as a SUPER Hub. I have it AES and WC out to RME -> 2nd RME-> PULSE 16. I use the SPDIF to a RE ADI-2 DAC for a 2nd conversion option. I use the ADAT out to TC Clarity. I really depend on it. Thinking through where the Trinnov will be best integrated. FM |
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Post by FM77 on Mar 14, 2024 17:31:18 GMT -6
ST2 Pro here also. I'm using a Mytek Brooklyn DAC+, bypassing Trinnov conversion. Controlling level with 2400 Imperium. I love this setup, it's served me well. In your position I'd nab a used ST2 Pro and make use of the Grace with Hilo as your DA if possible. That's a more high spec setup than Nova would give you. I would only change my situation if I moved to speakers with digital inputs, such as Kii or Dutch And Dutch. Then I'd probably get the Trinnov remote and keep the entire monitoring chain digital. Thank you. Nice setup - Yeah, that would be my intent as well. To bypass the Trinnov conversion. I just want to maximize the current setup and every piece I add, need I/O. I am running ATC SMC25s and Focal Trios, not planning on digital monitor inputs anytime at all myself. And I really do like the way the GRACE 905 analog sounds. After a day of research, despite a few nice ST pros available used, a NOVA still may be the best option. FM |
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Post by christophert on Mar 14, 2024 17:37:42 GMT -6
Correction : A21m (but I also have the 17's in my editing room) |
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Post by FM77 on Mar 14, 2024 17:38:01 GMT -6
First post! Nice to meet you. I am a musician with a home studio, looking to add Trinnov. As much as I love new tech, I am not sure I could not get away with the ST2 Pro. For those who use Trinnov NOVA with a separate monitor controller, where is it in your setup? And are you happy with how this has been working? Do you feel the extra features of the NOVA are redundant or possibly good for the future for you (interface, monitor controller etc)? EDIT: I have a GRACE M905 Analog -> LYNX HILO -> RME -> DAWI would like to keeping using the HILO for the master clock. I have my opinions here, but I am looking for some other perspectives perhaps and maybe something I had not thought of? Thanks! FM I have the Grace M905 Analog and the Nova. My chain is Dangerous > Grace > Nova > Dutch&Dutch 8c. (all analog path) My second set of monitors are PSI A17m, that don't go through the Nova, so when I want zero latency, I switch my Grace controller to the PSI's, and my 3rd set of iLoud Micro's are patched into Grace no3 outputs.
Thank you. Dangerous convert AD? Great analog path you got going! Yeah that makes sense the way you have it setup. I am just using the 2 sets of Monitors, but I am completely in alignment, I am only going to run the ATCs through the Trinnov. But hard to say till I get it here. I like my current setup and want to change as little as possible. Appreciate the reply. FM |
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Post by christophert on Mar 14, 2024 18:10:35 GMT -6
I have the Grace M905 Analog and the Nova. My chain is Dangerous > Grace > Nova > Dutch&Dutch 8c. (all analog path) My second set of monitors are PSI A17m, that don't go through the Nova, so when I want zero latency, I switch my Grace controller to the PSI's, and my 3rd set of iLoud Micro's are patched into Grace no3 outputs.
Thank you. Dangerous convert AD? Great analog path you got going! Yeah that makes sense the way you have it setup. I am just using the 2 sets of Monitors, but I am completely in alignment, I am only going to run the ATCs through the Trinnov. But hard to say till I get it here. I like my current setup and want to change as little as possible. Appreciate the reply. FM Dangerous Convert-2 (D to A) |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Mar 15, 2024 22:09:54 GMT -6
Welcome FM77. Using the NOVA after a Burl B80 BDAM4 -> NOVA -> Burl B26. Have a SH Equinox (recently put it in) that was in place of the B26 but with my collaborator in town doing some tracking we quickly found out the latency with the NOVA is just too much for tracking duties. I had an external mixer with a mult from the input points of whatever we were tracking, so playing along with the mix output with zero latency, but what's recorded in PT was at least 30 ms behind. Easy to move but not tenable. So put the B26 back in place due to it's internal summing of whatever inputs you press in and also took the second outs of the BDAM4 to another Mix input of the B26 and it worked perfectly. So to be clear, I have two sets of stereo outs from the B80: one that goes to the Trinnov and sits on Mix A of the B26, and one out of the B80 that goes straight to the B26 with no correction. It's much bassier, but at least we're not having to mess with moving stuff around after recording. With any type of Trinnov device I would give consideration to what your whole approach would be with mixing and tracking. |
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Post by FM77 on Mar 16, 2024 9:17:53 GMT -6
Welcome FM77 . Using the NOVA after a Burl B80 BDAM4 -> NOVA -> Burl B26. Have a SH Equinox (recently put it in) that was in place of the B26 but with my collaborator in town doing some tracking we quickly found out the latency with the NOVA is just too much for tracking duties. I had an external mixer with a mult from the input points of whatever we were tracking, so playing along with the mix output with zero latency, but what's recorded in PT was at least 30 ms behind. Easy to move but not tenable. So put the B26 back in place due to it's internal summing of whatever inputs you press in and also took the second outs of the BDAM4 to another Mix input of the B26 and it worked perfectly. So to be clear, I have two sets of stereo outs from the B80: one that goes to the Trinnov and sits on Mix A of the B26, and one out of the B80 that goes straight to the B26 with no correction. It's much bassier, but at least we're not having to mess with moving stuff around after recording. With any type of Trinnov device I would give consideration to what your whole approach would be with mixing and tracking. Thanks Bat, appreciate the welcome and the reply.
If I can manage system wide correction, that would be ideal. Which is why I may use both ARC4 and Trinnov. My room is small, it cannot be treated any further nor with more efficiency, there is not much for bass traps, just alot of broadband / diffusion panels as I only have one usable corner. I use all the available wall and floor space I can. It has been measured countless times with multiple speakers but the physical layout is what it is.
From my listening position,
9dB bump at 48hz, (EDIT) the ATCs have a bass cutoff at 47HZ -6 anechoic)
3dB bump at 70hz, 3dB null at 100hz, 5dB bump at 150 5dB bump at 240
Above 240 it is basically flat. I have EQd my speakers a bit to support over time, but it's not ideal.
I appreciate the responses as I have been looking for various ways through this. One challenge is I track all over the room. Its for personal use.
I have been using the ARC 3 (now upgraded to 4) for a while, it's OK. But now with the hardware available I may be able run a system wide for basic tracking with a bit more clarity and then use the Trinnov NOVA or ST for mixing. It does seem like alot of processing just for basic a workflow. The way I work, the multiple signal chains, older gear, quick on the fly decisions etc, I could not manage Trinnov latency for tracking.
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Post by ericn on Mar 16, 2024 11:33:48 GMT -6
Our new member FM777 has brought to mind a big function that is missing from all of these DSP correction system's, a simple midi or voltage input to a dedicated monitor controller so I can simply switch the DSP correction to what ever monitors I’m using.
Now where this can be really cool is DSP bass management, I could run just my monitors full range without the high pass set for the subs, I could at the push of a button run them with the dialed in filters for stereo subs, or run them as 2 mono subs, or Boom box mode where the monitors are full range and the subs are running as well. All this is really easy with DSP a dedicated, switcher that communicates with the DSP. It really makes me wonder if these companies understand/ care about the pro market.
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Post by FM77 on Mar 16, 2024 12:34:48 GMT -6
Our new member FM777 has brought to mind a big function that is missing from all of these DSP correction system's, a simple midi or voltage input to a dedicated monitor controller so I can simply switch the DSP correction to what ever monitors I’m using. Now where this can be really cool is DSP bass management, I could run just my monitors full range without the high pass set for the subs, I could at the push of a button run them with the dialed in filters for stereo subs, or run them as 2 mono subs, or Boom box mode where the monitors are full range and the subs are running as well. All this is really easy with DSP a dedicated, switcher that communicates with the DSP. It really makes me wonder if these companies understand/ care about the pro market. Cheers Eric. I think this is what the new Trinnov NOVA with La Remote is intended to cover. Trinnov has been pushing the NOVA with the remote as a monitor controller / preset function in one. To your point however, alot of us who are interested in basic correction are already using a well-invested-in monitor controller. NOVA also supports EUCON Protocol for many of its functions although according to Trinnov, you need to be running the App full-time. |
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