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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 26, 2019 9:51:50 GMT -6
How do you create inter sample latency, if you are patching from your daw, the entire signal to OB and back with RTL compensation? Or is that only an issue if you are editing ? Not arguing, just want to understand ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 26, 2019 9:52:50 GMT -6
5 people snapped these units up very quick (in 30 seconds), I haven't heard peep about them: anybody ?
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Post by matt@IAA on Feb 26, 2019 10:08:27 GMT -6
IF we are talking about logic's utility plug in it pings and controls for RTL so your return single should be aligned ? That's what I've always done when I do drums parallel and what I was looking to do with the D. Loving the Buzz DBC on OH (not in parallel) I got to fill that niche. Not quite the crusher I was looking for, but can do some serious gain reduction without leaving that annoying 'tick' on the attack like the Stam SA4000 was and the build is phenomenal. Of course a mix knob on any comp would be amazing. I wonder if there are design compromises as I've only ever seen one on an A-Designs Nail? It's not difficult, just requires either a passive or active summing arrangement.. no different than panning a signal. Easy to retrofit onto a box as well. realgearonline.com/thread/9511/wet-dry-mixer
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2019 10:26:32 GMT -6
How do you create inter sample latency, if you are patching from your daw, the entire signal to OB and back with RTL compensation? Or is that only an issue if you are editing ? Not arguing, just want to understand ? Once you enter the analog world where your D/A turns your samples back into an analog signal, samples are irrelevant (for what we're talking about at least) until you go back. Your samples ITB are fixed at 44.1k, 48k, 96k etc. samples every second, and whatever form of delay compensation you are using is going to (hopefully - some are better than others) map your returning signal to that sample grid. However - if the returning signal is BETWEEN 2 samples in your DAW - and it almost certainly will be unless you're extremely lucky - you have inter sample latency. Your returning signal will be laid into the grid by your latency compensation software and will be "off" by whatever it's return trip intersample length is. This is why many mix engineers still combine wet / dry signals that exit to the analog world for parallel processing in some sort of summing / mixing / blending hardware before coming back into the box for final mixing. Being "parallel-ized" in the analog world. Cause there's no inter sample mess there. If you've done this much, you are no doubt acutely aware that even ONE sample can create a muddy mess that lacks the punch of the original signal. Now....how much of this matters to you....how much you can hear......how much you care - all this is up to the individual engineer. Some care a lot. Some are unaware the situation even exists. Me? I go to units with a mix / blend in the analog world when I want to go "parallel" - otherwise I do it old school and just run thru the 1176 / LA2a or whatever and call it good. Or use a plugin. (gag) LOL
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 26, 2019 10:53:22 GMT -6
Thx ! Dr bill !
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Post by Ward on Feb 26, 2019 11:03:36 GMT -6
Anyone here have a D-Comp yet?
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Post by M57 on Feb 26, 2019 17:48:08 GMT -6
>>otherwise I do it old school and just run thru the 1176 / LA2a or whatever and call it good. Or use a plugin. (gag) LOL I thought I understood but ^^ this ^^ confused me. You don't mean going throught a 76 ot 2A round trip and back into the DAW do you? Then you're back to square one with inter-sample latency???
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 26, 2019 18:12:07 GMT -6
>>otherwise I do it old school and just run thru the 1176 / LA2a or whatever and call it good. Or use a plugin. (gag) LOL I thought I understood but ^^ this ^^ confused me. You don't mean going throught a 76 ot 2A round trip and back into the DAW do you? Then you're back to square one with inter-sample latency??? Latency that small doesn't matter when you're talking about just one mono track. For example, if you send a bass track in/out via hardware insert to an 1176, latency of less than a sample doesn't matter. No will know, or care, if the bass track is off by less than one sample. However, if you're blending that same signal back in with the original, unprocessed bass, and one of those tracks has intersample latency then that's another story. Make sense?
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2019 18:33:48 GMT -6
>>otherwise I do it old school and just run thru the 1176 / LA2a or whatever and call it good. Or use a plugin. (gag) LOL I thought I understood but ^^ this ^^ confused me. You don't mean going throught a 76 ot 2A round trip and back into the DAW do you? Then you're back to square one with inter-sample latency??? i run an 1176 or LA2a most often NON parallel on an INSERT in pro tools. So even though there IS intersample latetency when returned into the DAW, it's a non issue because I am not blending it with the direct signal in the DAW. Hope that makes sense.
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2019 18:35:10 GMT -6
I thought I understood but ^^ this ^^ confused me. You don't mean going throught a 76 ot 2A round trip and back into the DAW do you? Then you're back to square one with inter-sample latency??? Latency that small doesn't matter when you're talking about just one mono track. For example, if you send a bass track in/out via hardware insert to an 1176, latency of less than a sample doesn't matter. No will know, or care, if the bass track is off by less than one sample. However, if you're blending that same signal back in with the original, unprocessed bass, and one of those tracks has intersample latency then that's another story. Make sense? The "mono" thing confused me for a second (cause it could be stereo or more....), but yes, I get your point, and you're correct. I tried to elaborate above as well...
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 27, 2019 6:52:41 GMT -6
You guys should start a new thread about latency going I/O, to and from the DAW with analog outboard. That would be a very interesting thread!
. For example, setting up the buss outputs of the DAW to the configuring in the DAW, to the output and back in the interface and DAW, or even inserting Outboard on an insert. Studio One has fx busses as well, getting things calibrated with outboard can be a daunting task especially when you have latency issues. I am experimenting with a new interface and things just don’t work the same as the last interface I had. Back to the drawing board.
I want a D-Comp!
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Post by Chad on Feb 27, 2019 12:38:04 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 27, 2019 12:50:24 GMT -6
Wow, that was fast. Not sure what to think about that. Bad sign?
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Post by Chad on Feb 27, 2019 12:53:24 GMT -6
Wow, that was fast. Not sure what to think about that. Bad sign? Yeah, Indie, I know. Hmmm I can't imagine ever selling my Audio Scape Opto comp. Chris worked his magic on mine.
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 27, 2019 13:52:34 GMT -6
kinda off topic but how do you sell a used item for the same as a brand new retail one? Its worth waiting for one to be built, no?
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Post by Chad on Feb 27, 2019 14:10:23 GMT -6
kinda off topic but how do you sell a used item for the same as a brand new retail one? Its worth waiting for one to be built, no? Hi Tbone81, It depends on who is making the item and how many months (or years) it takes to get the new item from first order to delivery. (Supply & Demand) In this case, if it were me, I would just reach Chris at Audio Scape directly and put my name in on one. He's all pro to deal with and very accurate about setting expectations on delivery dates.
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Post by 000 on Feb 27, 2019 14:20:18 GMT -6
kinda off topic but how do you sell a used item for the same as a brand new retail one? Its worth waiting for one to be built, no? Hi Tbone81, It depends on who is making the item and how many months (or years) it takes to get the new item from first order to delivery. (Supply & Demand) In this case, if it were me, I would just reach Chris at Audio Scape directly and put my name in on one. He's all pro to deal with and very accurate about setting expectations on delivery dates. Wait...so is there a waiting list for these things? I thought you just had to get lucky when a handful pop up again. #trapbeats #rapproducer #beatsforsale
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Post by Chad on Feb 27, 2019 14:27:37 GMT -6
Hi Tbone81, It depends on who is making the item and how many months (or years) it takes to get the new item from first order to delivery. (Supply & Demand) In this case, if it were me, I would just reach Chris at Audio Scape directly and put my name in on one. He's all pro to deal with and very accurate about setting expectations on delivery dates. Wait...so is there a waiting list for these things? I thought you just had to get lucky when a handful pop up again. #trapbeats #rapproducer #beatsforsale #whatismymarket I can't and will not speak for Chris Yetter at AudioScape. I only know him from my experience in buying an Opto Comp directly from him nearly 2 years ago. (Plus asking him a few questions about NOS tubes in the weeks following that purchase.) But... because of my fantastic experience, as a returning customer, I would have no qualms about emailing him or calling him directly to figure out his timing. Maybe today he is much busier than he was in 2017, and maybe he's building as fast as he can at this moment.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2019 14:28:45 GMT -6
Hi Tbone81, It depends on who is making the item and how many months (or years) it takes to get the new item from first order to delivery. (Supply & Demand) In this case, if it were me, I would just reach Chris at Audio Scape directly and put my name in on one. He's all pro to deal with and very accurate about setting expectations on delivery dates. Wait...so is there a waiting list for these things? I thought you just had to get lucky when a handful pop up again. #trapbeats #rapproducer #beatsforsale #whatismymarket What are these hashtags? On the D Comp - I know sometimes, I've gotten an item and it didn't magically make me sound like The Beatles...then I feel guilty for having so much tied up into one box...
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2019 14:29:26 GMT -6
I'll give another +1 on Chris. Fantastic guy and products.
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 27, 2019 15:05:13 GMT -6
kinda off topic but how do you sell a used item for the same as a brand new retail one? Its worth waiting for one to be built, no? Hi Tbone81, It depends on who is making the item and how many months (or years) it takes to get the new item from first order to delivery. (Supply & Demand) In this case, if it were me, I would just reach Chris at Audio Scape directly and put my name in on one. He's all pro to deal with and very accurate about setting expectations on delivery dates. Fair enough, I guess as someone who almost exclusively buys used, it just rubs me the wrong way when I see people list used items at new prices. Everyone knows that once you drive it off then lot, it ain’t worth what you paid for it! : )
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 27, 2019 15:08:18 GMT -6
This is maybe a bit misleading.
I had spoken to Chris about getting a D comp a few months ago. He indicated he did have a few people lined up but did not mention a formal list. He indicated that he was building 5 and they would be available on line first come first serve at a specific time. As others have noted here it was a little unclear but subscribers to his site seemed to have their information preloaded somehow and all 5 d comps were gone in 30 seconds. I am a subscriber and new nothing about this preload feature.
He had also indicated that 5 more were being built and I thought a similar sales process was expected anytime. People could check with Chris.
He further indicated that these would go into regular production soon, so one could also play the waiting game and simply order later.
I find Chris very straight forward, have his ssl comp (love it) and was very impressed with his service and his gear. I would order stuff from him without hesitation. I would also expect to receive it in under 2 weeks very professionally package and shipped: no muss, no fuss; very good prices, free shipping in the USA, 2 year warranty and excellent products.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 27, 2019 15:38:46 GMT -6
Hi Tbone81, It depends on who is making the item and how many months (or years) it takes to get the new item from first order to delivery. (Supply & Demand) In this case, if it were me, I would just reach Chris at Audio Scape directly and put my name in on one. He's all pro to deal with and very accurate about setting expectations on delivery dates. Fair enough, I guess as someone who almost exclusively buys used, it just rubs me the wrong way when I see people list used items at new prices. Everyone knows that once you drive it off then lot, it ain’t worth what you paid for it! : ) It's worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay. I would have listed it at $1500 and hoped for a bite.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2019 15:44:40 GMT -6
Me too...lol
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Post by swafford on Feb 27, 2019 15:58:20 GMT -6
Fair enough, I guess as someone who almost exclusively buys used, it just rubs me the wrong way when I see people list used items at new prices. Everyone knows that once you drive it off then lot, it ain’t worth what you paid for it! : ) It's worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay. I would have listed it at $1500 and hoped for a bite. Right! I sold my SA4000 for $150 more then I paid for it and in less then 24 hours. I am evilest of all considering my intense disregard for the makers, but thanks for the gumball, Mickey. As to the first 5 going so fast, I too am a subscriber and didn't see any secret subscriber handshake. My bold guess is that because the check out procedure gives you the opportunity to register your info, but that opportunity does not exist unless you buy something, the first 5 went to existing customers who were able to autoload previously registered address/payment info.
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