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Post by javamad on Apr 26, 2019 5:46:27 GMT -6
Great to hear you got comfortable enough to order. I do think though that turning it on and off is not going to help.
I have mine on all the time plus the System wide app so when I hear music outside my DAW I am getting the same room eq. This makes referencing easier and growing used to it.
There is a % mix option if you are not comfortable with applying it 100%
That said I had two large issues in the low end so I am finding I work better listening to everything through Sonarworks
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Post by mikec on Apr 26, 2019 7:03:40 GMT -6
I use Sonarworks on every mix and also have the Sonarworks calibrated HD650 headphones. I don't notice as big a difference on headphones, but because I have a bump at around 150Hz, even though my room is treated pretty well, I notice a big difference on monitors. It took me a while to get used to how different it sounded with Sonarworks engaged, but it also made it much easier to mix the low end. The biggest difference I notice overall is how much quicker and easier I can get a mix to translate on other playback devices using Sonarworks.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 26, 2019 10:22:22 GMT -6
I'll say that using Sonarworks feels like taking a blanket off my monitors. Even more so with the headphone calibration (Focal Listen Pro's). I never considered those to be muddy or muffled, but with the calibration file, it's a new level of openness and clarity. But is it the truth? Not sure yet. My experience too And mine even with ATC SCM25As. The calibrated mic is a little different than my ECM8000 mic, but I figured for something this important, $100 for the calibrated mic was a worthy investment.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 26, 2019 10:36:07 GMT -6
I fought tooth and nail to get mixes to translate before Sonarworks. It’s a non-issue now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2019 10:37:46 GMT -6
My goodness, how many converters have I judged without being able to hear them? (Embarrassed emoji)
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2019 10:38:23 GMT -6
Btw, spindrift, I’ll get that mic back out to you post haste.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 26, 2019 10:50:01 GMT -6
I don’t mean to sound like a salesman because I’m not....but even listening to other records is more enjoyable.
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Post by mcirish on Apr 26, 2019 10:59:55 GMT -6
You guys are making it hard for me to resist buying Sonarworks. i just finished an album project and had a bit of trouble with the 40-60hz region. The mastering engineer was a huge help in pointing out anything odd, but maybe with this, my mixes would need less adjusting in mastering. Very tempting.
Question: Is it difficult the switch between monitor configurations? I jump between monitors so often. I'm afraid of an extra step that might get messed up (select the wrong correction).
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Post by spindrift on Apr 26, 2019 11:22:36 GMT -6
I have three sets of monitors and switching is pretty trivial...just a dropdown menu. You do have to be mindful of it. And what you're switching between is calibration files (built from the combo of your amp/monitors/SW Mic, not necessarily "Monitor profiles". They have prebuilt headphone correction profiles which are helpful but nothing I've found in the monitor category.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 26, 2019 11:31:02 GMT -6
You might want to do a separate sampling test for each set of monitors, to the extent to which the monitors are themselves affecting the sound, then SW would be compensating for this as it samples the sound in your room coming out of the monitors.
You could save each file by the name of the monitors and just load that calibration file and then pick the corresponding monitors ?
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 26, 2019 12:09:34 GMT -6
You might want to do a separate sampling test for each set of monitors, to the extent to which the monitors are themselves affecting the sound, then SW would be compensating for this as it samples the sound in your room coming out of the monitors. You could save each file by the name of the monitors and just load that calibration file and then pick the corresponding monitors ? As long as they are "full" monitors, that's absolutely the only way to go. Sonarworks measures the performance of the monitor in the room and corrects for that. For my mono boxes like the Mixcube or Tivoli radio I don't even bother switching the calibration off. i.e. I leave Sonarworks on with the profile of the mains.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 26, 2019 12:18:39 GMT -6
ya, that makes sense !
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 27, 2019 5:15:25 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 27, 2019 7:01:54 GMT -6
Isn't that for your specific mic though?Each mic has its own curve. That's the point of the calibration file.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 27, 2019 7:31:30 GMT -6
I think this is a generic one for this mike so it’s not necessarily perfect but you can use it or not ?
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Post by nudwig on Apr 27, 2019 16:02:36 GMT -6
Question: Is it difficult the switch between monitor configurations? I jump between monitors so often. I'm afraid of an extra step that might get messed up (select the wrong correction). Like mentioned it's a dropdown menu. Out of laziness and for an easier visual reference I just have the plugin loaded twice, each wth the corresponding speaker correction. Easier for me to disable the plugin than to go into the menu. I use the dropdown for the Systemwide app.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2019 14:36:46 GMT -6
OK...count me as a convert. This has really helped a ton.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 28, 2019 15:17:59 GMT -6
OK...count me as a convert. This has really helped a ton. Has it been a matter of getting your ears used to it, John?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2019 16:24:10 GMT -6
OK...count me as a convert. This has really helped a ton. Has it been a matter of getting your ears used to it, John? Yeah. I think so. And learning how to implement. But I basically just mixed with it on the last insert and didn’t really go back and forth. I also have Tonal Balance right before it and helps confirm all the moves my ears are hearing with SW on. I just think it took me out of my comfort zone and then I had one of those “Everything I do sucks” days. I do believe the mixes are better.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 28, 2019 16:36:22 GMT -6
Tonal balance ?
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Post by notneeson on Apr 28, 2019 16:43:55 GMT -6
Has it been a matter of getting your ears used to it, John? Yeah. I think so. And learning how to implement. But I basically just mixed with it on the last insert and didn’t really go back and forth. I also have Tonal Balance right before it and helps confirm all the moves my ears are hearing with SW on. I just think it took me out of my comfort zone and then I had one of those “Everything I do sucks” days. I do believe the mixes are better. No major improvement without those days though, right? It does feel crappy though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 17:04:31 GMT -6
Alternatives to Sonarworks e.g. for headphone in terms of a driver that is transparently inbetween DAW and interface can be realized with the free "Equalizer APO" software. It can insert VSTs and custom eq curves etc. on system level. I am using it to insert the free beyerdynamic virtual studio plugin. There are a few headphone curve correction plugins on the market to try out. What Sonarkworks does NOT do, is to emulate studio monitors, they just flatten the frequency response for the headphones. So you additionally would need something like Waves NX or the beyerdynamic virtual studio *additionally* to work comfortably on headphones, which IMHO defeats the purpose of it? (NX has some headphone correction curves itself...), you can use the trial of Sonarworks for headphone, use a learning EQ (like the iZotope one in Neutron or similar) to get your headphone curve and have a similar to more complete solution... There is also the free Digital Room Correction Designer which works with a fairly flat measuring mic for free www.alanjordan.org/DRCDesigner/DrcDesignerHelp.html that serves the same purpose for monitor room correction and gives you correction data that you can load in any convolution vst, and use this in Equalizer APO to correct your monitoring curve, I used this once with the Bruel & Kjaer target curve, worked just like what Sonarworks stuff is claiming to do. (Windows world)
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 17:16:37 GMT -6
OK...count me as a convert. This has really helped a ton. Hey John I found the same thing with ARC, and then ARC 2. I had done a shit load of work on my room, from the ground up. Using the correction software was really the finishing touch. I received so much resistance from the net about it that I didn't mention it, for years. "Hi, my name is Wiz (HI WIZ) and I use speaker correction software, its been 7 years since my last mix without it" cheers Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2019 18:27:25 GMT -6
OK...count me as a convert. This has really helped a ton. Hey John I found the same thing with ARC, and then ARC 2. I had done a shit load of work on my room, from the ground up. Using the correction software was really the finishing touch. I received so much resistance from the net about it that I didn't mention it, for years. "Hi, my name is Wiz (HI WIZ) and I use speaker correction software, its been 7 years since my last mix without it" cheers Wiz I’m kind of embarrassed about the mixes I’ve put out prior to this.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 28, 2019 18:35:39 GMT -6
Don’t be, they were working for you and people st the time and it just makes sense that you or all our skills increase over time.
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