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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 6:27:39 GMT -6
I used a Bruel & Kjaer 4004 omni mic to demo Sonarworks in my room.
If using a non-Sonarworks mic you should introduce mic frequency response plot in a txt file and load into Sonarworks software before measurements. Procedure is explained in FAQs
I mix in a treated room and response from 20 to 400Hz was within +/- 4dB margin and +/- 15 degrees phase shift. I perceived some difference but not night and day so I didn't purchase it.
It can be a game changer in untreated or not that treated rooms
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Post by askomiko on Apr 20, 2019 8:10:11 GMT -6
Does the software boost with eq for trying to fill up the nulls in the room? That's just silly. Have you used it? Only for headphones, i spent the demo period. It did improve, altough just a little bit, Sennheiser hd600, whereas not so good cans like HD25 and AKG 240, 271, k550 don't magically transform into greatness. Cutting lumps from lows and mids in the room response is great. A Behringer measurement mic is useless though, they can be all over the map.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2019 8:13:43 GMT -6
I think this is the calibration file for the Behringer mike : Matthew Blue.ods (199.23 KB)
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 12:06:16 GMT -6
Just picked up a used Behringer ECM8000 (because I couldn't freaking wait)...BTW - spindrift, I'll still take you up on trying the Sonarworks mic and will be happy to throw you some dough!) Holy shiite... I mean, really. Crazy. I have no idea how well a mix done with this on is going to translate, but I can already hear things dramatically differently and I would say objectively better. I'm going to remix with this thing on and see how it translates. I'm a little stunned to say the least. Kind of the good thing I noticed was that even though I have a huge dip at around 100hz, and a little bit less around 270hz, I was compensating pretty well in my mixes. It's just clarity and punch when I turn this thing on. I also seems to hear a better stereo image and more of the effect...phase issues? Anyway, I'm impressed...unless I mix with this and it sounds like shit everywhere else. Off to mix.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 20, 2019 12:32:33 GMT -6
I'm new to this thread. Can someone give me a simple description how this works please. I know how techs used to use mics and equalizers to treat a room, but how does the Sonar Works affect EQ? Does is simply show you where anomalies are and you EQ the 2 bus?
John, I'm looking forward to hearing how well your next mix translates.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 20, 2019 12:50:28 GMT -6
I've seriously considered the Trinnov, but with it's fairly long in the tooth in the converter/clock dept these days, and Sonarworks gets me there MUCH cheaper.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 13:15:00 GMT -6
I've seriously considered the Trinnov, but with it's fairly long in the tooth in the converter/clock dept these days, and Sonarworks gets me there MUCH cheaper. I think littlesicily swears by Trinnov
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Post by littlesicily on Apr 20, 2019 13:18:44 GMT -6
I've seriously considered the Trinnov, but with it's fairly long in the tooth in the converter/clock dept these days, and Sonarworks gets me there MUCH cheaper. I think littlesicily swears by Trinnov I LOVE my Trinnov ST2 pro! Last piece of gear I'd ever sell.
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Apr 20, 2019 13:33:55 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 20, 2019 13:33:55 GMT -6
I think this is the calibration file for the Behringer mike : View AttachmentThe Sonarworks mics are individually calibrated.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 13:33:55 GMT -6
This is really interesting. I can switch this thing on and it's like..."Oh...there's the bass punch" The bass guitar, that is...which makes sense because it lives around 90-100Hz.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 13:34:33 GMT -6
I think this is the calibration file for the Behringer mike : View AttachmentThe Sonarworks mics are individually calibrated. Which makes me wonder if the Sonarworks mic would make even a bigger difference.
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Apr 20, 2019 13:37:02 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 20, 2019 13:37:02 GMT -6
This is really interesting. I can switch this thing on and it's like..."Oh...there's the bass punch" The bass guitar, that is...which makes sense because it lives around 90-100Hz. My experience mirrors yours. More bass punch, and I can better hear reverbs. Mixes translate wonderfully. My room is professionally designed and treated but Sonarworks gives me the last 10-15%. There’s a particular commercial song I like that has some floor tom hits during the intro. They sound wimpy without Sonarworks and just perfect with it.
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Apr 20, 2019 13:48:09 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2019 13:48:09 GMT -6
I think the Sonarworks mike is the behringer but if someone has the behringer it’s good to have the calibration file. I have tried Sonarworks off and on about 3-4 times, always end up not using it
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Apr 20, 2019 14:07:36 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 14:07:36 GMT -6
This is really interesting. I can switch this thing on and it's like..."Oh...there's the bass punch" The bass guitar, that is...which makes sense because it lives around 90-100Hz. My experience mirrors yours. More bass punch, and I can better hear reverbs. Mixes translate wonderfully. My room is professionally designed and treated but Sonarworks gives me the last 10-15%. There’s a particular commercial song I like that has some floor tom hits during the intro. They sound wimpy without Sonarworks and just perfect with it. Yeah definitely on the verbs. Remixing this tune, I had to crank the verb way down from what I am used to. It’s kind of tough to trust this thing though, because when you turn it off, the mix feels wrong/counterintuitive. I need to get in the car and check the mix I just re-did.
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Apr 20, 2019 14:09:28 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 14:09:28 GMT -6
Are you using the system wide thing where you can select the Sonarworks thing as the output (when not in the daw)? Do you turn off the safe headroom thing? Because it does seem to get a little crunchy when you do and raise it up to like -.02 or whatever.
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Apr 20, 2019 14:16:57 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 20, 2019 14:16:57 GMT -6
I use system wide for stuff outside the daw, yes. I enable safe headroom there but not in the daw, since my mixes already have enough headroom. I also want them to not change levels when turning the plugin off for bouncing.
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Apr 20, 2019 14:25:49 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 20, 2019 14:25:49 GMT -6
I’m going to get this up and running too. I bought it a while back when it was half off, but have been too busy to mess around with it. Ive got a few things to track first. I haven’t been too concerned about not having the actual Sonarworks mic. I think they’re all basically the same, except the Sonarworks have an individual calibration file. I guess if it works out great, that’s something to try out in the future, though aim guessing the difference between it and the Behringer aren’t going to be huge.
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Apr 20, 2019 14:41:15 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 14:41:15 GMT -6
What does individual calibration even mean?
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Apr 20, 2019 14:46:10 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 20, 2019 14:46:10 GMT -6
What does individual calibration even mean? They test the mic and create a calibration file for it that you load into their software.
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Apr 20, 2019 14:46:36 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2019 14:46:36 GMT -6
SW plays a sine wave file about 40 times and you move the mike to designated spots, as show on your computer screen to sample the sound using the calibration mike.
The software does the math and figures how to eq the sound you hear to remediate the non linearities in your room, not including time domami issues.
So, essentially you hear the more linear sound not your room’s gremlins.
Here is a set up video I did for SW3, same process for 4.
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Apr 20, 2019 14:54:42 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2019 14:54:42 GMT -6
Oh that’s right. I didn’t enter a calibration file for the mic. Did someone say they had a calibration file for the ECM8000?
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Apr 20, 2019 15:20:18 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2019 15:20:18 GMT -6
I posted it a couple of messages up.
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Post by nudwig on Apr 20, 2019 15:20:45 GMT -6
I've been using this a few years. I'd say the calibrated mic helps but it's not crazy night and day against the Behringer measurement mic, sounds a bit more natural on the top end when I use the SW mic. I still go back and forth on using the compensation, often dialing the mix back a bit. Been on it again lately as it's better now than a few years ago, the measurement process seems much more thorough. One thing I'd suggest if anyone else prints back into PT is to set up an aux to function as your monitor channel. Not fun accidentally printing the compensated sound.
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Post by littlesicily on Apr 20, 2019 15:49:22 GMT -6
Sorry late to the party. Is Sonarworks EQ only or does it also correct phase like the Trinnov?
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Apr 20, 2019 15:55:01 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 20, 2019 15:55:01 GMT -6
Just picked up a used Behringer ECM8000 (because I couldn't freaking wait)...BTW - spindrift, I'll still take you up on trying the Sonarworks mic and will be happy to throw you some dough!) Holy shiite... I mean, really. Crazy. I have no idea how well a mix done with this on is going to translate, but I can already hear things dramatically differently and I would say objectively better. I'm going to remix with this thing on and see how it translates. I'm a little stunned to say the least. Kind of the good thing I noticed was that even though I have a huge dip at around 100hz, and a little bit less around 270hz, I was compensating pretty well in my mixes. It's just clarity and punch when I turn this thing on. I also seems to hear a better stereo image and more of the effect...phase issues? Anyway, I'm impressed...unless I mix with this and it sounds like shit everywhere else. Off to mix. Are you using this with your monitors, headphones, or both?
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