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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 25, 2017 9:22:44 GMT -6
Been reading up on these. The 1073 and 1084 are preferable all round for vocals and guitars because of the classic sound. Whilst the 1081 is preferred on drums and percussion because of the better transient response and more open sound. Probably true for traditional use, however I've never used anything better on vocals than an AMS Neve 1081. Absolute magic. Of coarse that is with the eq to shape.
This one is eq-less so another application of eq would probably be in order.
1081's are very mid forward and somewhat rolled off on top and bottom. Which is refreshing on a digital platform.
They are HIFi for sure.
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Post by rocinante on Sept 25, 2017 17:19:18 GMT -6
Guys, its a nice Carnhill input Transformer followed by a Neve amp card that has a Carnhill output Tranformer dangling off it. It's gonna sound good regardless. Ive used an AMS Neve 1081 and use a 1081 clone all the time and both were good. Like one of my favorites.
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Post by jazzcabbage on Sept 25, 2017 17:43:43 GMT -6
I'm sure they'll sound great. A pretty good deal built imho.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 26, 2017 8:34:32 GMT -6
I'd take a 1081 pre over a 1073 or 1084 any day. I've used them all for years and still always gravitate to the 1081. Even without EQ.
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Post by jazzcabbage on Sept 28, 2017 15:49:25 GMT -6
Time to run these through some paces
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Post by yotonic on Sept 28, 2017 20:48:00 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2017 21:06:12 GMT -6
Yeah but the expensive ones have more knobs! Everybody knows themore knobs the better😎!
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Post by jazzcabbage on Sept 29, 2017 10:07:22 GMT -6
I was able to do some testing yesterday and these sounded great on everything I threw them up on including vocals. One thing I noticed is with thicker sounding mics these really shine over say the 1073 design, being less woofy. But they have that same vintage Neve big sound going on. I really like that. No affiliation with AML or Colin but these are pretty amazing, and an even more amazing deal. I'm probably going to pick up a few more.
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Post by rocinante on Sept 29, 2017 10:27:40 GMT -6
My VintageDesigns (TK Audio) m81s are probably my favorite mic press in my collection. Second are the 1290s I built. Colin has been at this awhile. I am happy to read these are good.
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Post by rowmat on Sept 29, 2017 18:36:55 GMT -6
IMO Class A/B Neves sound closer to API's on guitars and drums at least our 33114's do which have smaller output transformers than the original 1081's.
Although I'm not really a fan of API's on vocals (a bit too pokey in the upper mids for my liking) Class A/B Neve's are often great for a little extra sheen off the bat than the Class A's.
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Post by jazzcabbage on Sept 30, 2017 11:15:39 GMT -6
IMO Class A/B Neves sound closer to API's on guitars and drums at least our 33114's do which have smaller output transformers than the original 1081's. I had someone ask over at GS. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being 312 and 10 being 1073 I put these 1081 clones much closer to the 1073 being somewhere between a 7 or an 8 on that scale. The transformers must be playing a role in that.
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Post by Quint on Sept 30, 2017 11:34:02 GMT -6
I wish these had some sort of output control.
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Post by rowmat on Sept 30, 2017 14:22:13 GMT -6
IMO Class A/B Neves sound closer to API's on guitars and drums at least our 33114's do which have smaller output transformers than the original 1081's. I had someone ask over at GS. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being 312 and 10 being 1073 I put these 1081 clones much closer to the 1073 being somewhere between a 7 or an 8 on that scale. The transformers must be playing a role in that. Geoff Tanner has referred to the much larger output transformer used in the 1081 being the primary difference between it and the broadcast series Class A/B Neves apart from the EQ. I have two Heritage Audio 8173's which are partially based on kind of 1081 EQ stage but with a 1073 style Class A output stage, a couple of Heritage 6673's (same concept again but different EQ points) and four Seventh Circle Audio N72's (Class A Neve circuit). Our Neve 33114's (with the EQ bypassed) are more present and generally more in the ballpark of our Capi pre's than the typical Class A Neve circuit. The 33114's are also more sensitive to output transformer termination loading and can become quite bright if the output load termination resistor is removed.
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2017 16:28:05 GMT -6
With the Neve, nobody has duplicated the sound of the old transformers, when ever we have taken the Recycled Transformers out of my Dan Alexander's and put them in a different clone it's night and day! Those old Transformers just make everything huge and bring new life to the vocal range!
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Post by jayson on Oct 18, 2017 17:04:17 GMT -6
This thread inspired me to pull the trigger on one and check it out. (well, that and it was taunting me from the AML website.) Looks like a pretty straight ahead build, I'd say I'm certain to do a second if I like it. I ordered this morning and I was thinking it would be in sometime early next week... until I got the Fedex overnight delivery notice for tomorrow. No raking leaves for me this weekend!
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Post by jayson on Oct 21, 2017 22:42:51 GMT -6
Nice afternoon-evenings work. My first impression was definitely a smile; there's some sonic fingerprints that ring an immediate bell the second you hear them, but I haven't really done much more than a line check so far. Looking forward to building another one already though- I have to keep my mind off the RND 535 compressor and this is giving me a great Neve fix. Seems like it's got a real large, out-front kind of vibe to it. So far I think it's a pretty great score for the $250 range; looking forward to getting some stuff through it tomorrow and see how well it gets along with the rest of the kids.
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Post by ariel on Oct 22, 2017 1:54:34 GMT -6
Now I wonder if Colin will bring out a 1073 preamp version of this but with an output trim. I would love to hear some A/B of the 1073 bs the 1081 on drums
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Post by miscend on Dec 14, 2017 7:56:09 GMT -6
Now I wonder if Colin will bring out a 1073 preamp version of this but with an output trim. I would love to hear some A/B of the 1073 bs the 1081 on drums He just has. He put out a new 1073. And two new line amps based on the 1073 and 1081.
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Post by miscend on Dec 14, 2017 7:58:48 GMT -6
Been reading up on these. The 1073 and 1084 are preferable all round for vocals and guitars because of the classic sound. Whilst the 1081 is preferred on drums and percussion because of the better transient response and more open sound. Probably true for traditional use, however I've never used anything better on vocals than an AMS Neve 1081. Absolute magic. Of coarse that is with the eq to shape.
This one is eq-less so another application of eq would probably be in order.
1081's are very mid forward and somewhat rolled off on top and bottom. Which is refreshing on a digital platform.
They are HIFi for sure.
Did you eventually get a pair in the end? Would you say the 1081 is very different enough to the Capi VP312/VP28 on guitars and vocals.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 14, 2017 9:28:02 GMT -6
Probably true for traditional use, however I've never used anything better on vocals than an AMS Neve 1081. Absolute magic. Of coarse that is with the eq to shape.
This one is eq-less so another application of eq would probably be in order.
1081's are very mid forward and somewhat rolled off on top and bottom. Which is refreshing on a digital platform.
They are HIFi for sure.
Did you eventually get a pair in the end? Would you say the 1081 is very different enough to the Capi VP312/VP28 on guitars and vocals. I didn't but I'm sure itching to pull the trigger.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 19, 2017 9:20:13 GMT -6
I think I'm going to buy one in January...
Might start with the EZ1073pre though since I'm already familiar with that sound
Really excited about this one!
Yeah, those transformers are going to have a big footprint no matter what else is going on.
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Post by ariel on Apr 13, 2018 4:36:17 GMT -6
So what would people be using the line amp versions for? I know it is part of a console section. I presume a pair can be used on a passive summer. But what if you had 8 of them or more for a mixer? How would someone set that up for mixing as in the other parts of the chain?
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 13, 2018 6:25:37 GMT -6
So what would people be using the line amp versions for? I know it is part of a console section. I presume a pair can be used on a passive summer. But what if you had 8 of them or more for a mixer? How would someone set that up for mixing as in the other parts of the chain? I know it's the other half of a 1073 - that VTB9046 DI transformer, perhaps a series of keyboard/DIs?
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Post by ericn on Apr 13, 2018 6:31:50 GMT -6
So what would people be using the line amp versions for? I know it is part of a console section. I presume a pair can be used on a passive summer. But what if you had 8 of them or more for a mixer? How would someone set that up for mixing as in the other parts of the chain? Anything where you want to boost a signal and add a bit of Neve flavor, front end of Summing system, some extra gain for splitting signal, etc.
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Post by nudwig on May 17, 2019 16:13:07 GMT -6
Thought I'd bump this, how are those of you that have them getting along? They came up on my radar again when I started thinking I could have a poor-man's 1081 following them with my LTL Royal Blue Stage 2.
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