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Post by mrholmes on Jul 13, 2019 5:14:13 GMT -6
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Post by jampa on Jul 13, 2019 5:47:47 GMT -6
I thought he had a hand in designing the Omega pre - maybe someone could chime in
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 13, 2019 8:02:15 GMT -6
There’s really no way for him to not come off as sounding kind of shill-y. I’m sure those pres sound great. I’m not sure I prefer full range, super high def recording. I don’t think Kind Of Blue would have sounded better that way. It i guess he’s saying if you start with the full range, you can always add the non linearities. That’s a lot to think about for me - rather just turn it on and go.
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Post by Quint on Jul 13, 2019 8:27:32 GMT -6
Agreed. I love some of the other products Kush offers, but the whole Omega thing never grabbed me. I don't ever really want super hifi, ultimate bandwidth anyway. My various "colored" preamps are here to stay.
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Post by sean on Jul 13, 2019 8:34:19 GMT -6
I go back and forth on high speed, hi fi preamps. I will say, however. that my GML preamps always work and sound good. Other stuff I have doesn’t. And I’m starting to hate anything with tubes because eventually they get noisy and make frying bacon sounds and the clients is like “is everything here broken?”
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Post by drbill on Jul 13, 2019 8:42:13 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 13, 2019 13:04:41 GMT -6
I go back and forth on high speed, hi fi preamps. I will say, however. that my GML preamps always work and sound good. Other stuff I have doesn’t. And I’m starting to hate anything with tubes because eventually they get noisy and make frying bacon sounds and the clients is like “is everything here broken?” I have essentially two kinds of preamp (not counting the Chinese Neve clone that's currently in my live guitar rig) - 8 channels of boutique CRS-IND preamps, which are a very clean pre with Jensen input trannies and the preamps buiilt into my console, of which there are 32. I've never really felt the need for a bunch of different preamp "colors". Black and grey do fine for me.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 13, 2019 13:08:09 GMT -6
Wow, that's an extremely annoying website.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 13, 2019 13:27:01 GMT -6
If the Omega pre sounds good at capture, I'd be tempted to leave it the hell alone rather than trying to jazz it up with a plugin.
If it doesn't sound good, it's fired.
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Post by svart on Jul 13, 2019 14:19:22 GMT -6
LoL.
People buy gear for the qualities the gear has. You want mid forward? API. You want heavy bottom and sparkling top? Neve. And so on and so forth.
Is it really critical that you have this gear or is the inherent tone really that prominent? No of course not..
But when someone says that you don't really want what others have proven to be useful over time and that their product is a solution to a problem that nobody has..
Seems a bit sketchy..
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Post by notneeson on Jul 13, 2019 14:59:26 GMT -6
LoL. People buy gear for the qualities the gear has. You want mid forward? API. You want heavy bottom and sparkling top? Neve. And so on and so forth. Is it really critical that you have this gear or is the inherent tone really that prominent? No of course not.. But when someone says that you don't really want what others have proven to be useful over time and that their product is a solution to a problem that nobody has.. Seems a bit sketchy.. A bong hit epiphany, to be sure.
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Post by Quint on Jul 13, 2019 14:59:56 GMT -6
If the Omega pre sounds good at capture, I'd be tempted to leave it the hell alone rather than trying to jazz it up with a plugin. If it doesn't sound good, it's fired. I think that, therein lies the rub. Unless you're wanting a clean sound going in, the Omega isn't going to give you what you want, going in. Yes, you can color it with the Omega plugins later, but that's just more delayed decisions and arguably won't sound as good as using the actual hardware equivalent of whatever preamp tone you want. And, yes, Unison on Apollo does the same thing, but you're also not paying $600 per channel for the ability to do so. Not anywhere even close to the same amount. For Omega kind of money, I want a preamp with transformers and opamps that provide color. And if you do want a clean preamp sound, there's a myriad of clean preamps out there that are arguably just as good and also cheaper. Like I said, I love a lot of Kush gear, but I just don't get the whole Omega thing.
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Post by Ward on Jul 13, 2019 18:05:55 GMT -6
Blah Blah Blah... I want someting blah blah blah . . . .
MEH to the point of MIH
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Post by popmann on Jul 13, 2019 18:54:48 GMT -6
It sounds like something I'd have espoused a couple decades ago as I moved into digital mixing. Post tape's moving target that degrades with every playback that you did a kind of reemphasis EQ in order to try to get "flat" back....but, while single rate digital's "just like input only, um, wrong somehow until I make this quick tweak at mix"....HD has kind of made me go "full British mode". For my own stuff--I will spend the time on finding JUST the front end for something.
But, in general, I think it's all over thought. I don't think recording quality is going up. And I don't mean that like an old dude....but, I think the late 70s is when analog peaked....the middle 90s is where hybrid peaked....and digital, I bet I can find some stuff from the early 00s (HD era) that hasn't been improved upon. So--I mean that's spanning BEFORE I was involved, during, and in a way after....using two sets of INCREDIBLY expensive tech...and one you can have on a cheap laptop today....and YET.....I keep hearing turd sandwiches at all budget levels.
Go put on Esperanza Spalding. David Crosby's recent run of albums. It's not like the world has forgotten how to record things....but, man....in rock/pop the deaf monkeys are running the boards, and have been too long.IMO.
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Post by chessparov on Jul 13, 2019 19:18:39 GMT -6
I've met Greg Scott and chatted with him a number of times. Very nice, very intelligent person (so is his wife). Seems like all this boils down to, however, some good food for thought. (just an alternate approach to tracking) But Dr. Bill's silence is positively deadly-ahem-deafening! Chris
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Post by chessparov on Jul 13, 2019 19:23:29 GMT -6
I go back and forth on high speed, hi fi preamps. I will say, however. that my GML preamps always work and sound good. Other stuff I have doesn’t. And I’m starting to hate anything with tubes because eventually they get noisy and make frying bacon sounds and the clients is like “is everything here broken?” Hmm... "Frying bacon sounds". Must be a starved plate issue. Chris
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Post by notneeson on Jul 13, 2019 19:36:45 GMT -6
This seems like a good place to say that I'm a huge Brad McGowan fan.
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Post by drbill on Jul 13, 2019 19:59:42 GMT -6
This seems like a good place to say that I'm a huge Brad McGowan fan. Hahaa!! I'm not sure what that means, but I'll have to agree with you on that!
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Post by 000 on Jul 13, 2019 20:08:17 GMT -6
This seems like a good place to say that I'm a huge Brad McGowan fan. The Kush Electra was a game changer for me.
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Post by drbill on Jul 13, 2019 20:09:27 GMT -6
I've met Greg Scott and chatted with him a number of times. Very nice, very intelligent person (so is his wife). Seems like all this boils down to, however, some good food for thought. (just an alternate approach to tracking) But Dr. Bill's silence is positively deadly-ahem-deafening! Chris Greg is great. But I'd have to say my opinion differs from him on this one,,,,, Once you amplify a mic and digitize it, the combo of those two stages (mic + pre) and the way they react to each other is imprinted in the audio forever. In the analog world, there is no real neutral. Even "clean" is sometimes 3D, flat, exciting, open, lifeless, muddy - but all still "clean". I say pick your poison and get it right on the way in....
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 13, 2019 20:18:00 GMT -6
No doubt Greg knows how to make great recordings. There was an Electra demo that was one of the best sounding demos I’ve ever heard.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jul 13, 2019 20:28:32 GMT -6
Sometimes vintage gear inspires artists.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 13, 2019 20:56:02 GMT -6
I reserve judgement until I could actually try one out. Idea seems interesting to me. I’m kinda all set in the preamp department right now though.
Has anybody here used one?
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Post by Quint on Jul 13, 2019 21:17:54 GMT -6
This seems like a good place to say that I'm a huge Brad McGowan fan. The Kush Electra was a game changer for me. Me too. I would have NO problem having a console full of Electras.
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Post by chessparov on Jul 13, 2019 23:35:53 GMT -6
My bias on all this, was greatly influenced by going to two of James Lugo's Recording Studio openings, in the L.A. area. (10 years ago, the last one) We compared his 16 Track 2", and the (then) "State of the Art"... On complete and partial recordings. No contest then, between the two! I realize the gap between that has narrowed to a close race. Again the Silver Bullet is an amazing contraption! Chris
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